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10:58 am
Mon 2-15-10


Zachary Walter

Walnut Creek, CA

Member
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I'm fairly certain that something was off in the record keeping of this event. 

As far as I can tell most everybody is having issues with the math on their scores.

I would contact chad to find out if that is the correct spreadsheet. It seems wrong to me. Especially given that the guy who took overall and best general played against two people from Endgame who can attest to whether they gave him perfect 10's across 2 games. 

Its obviously not the end of the world to get a terrible sportsmanship score, though if they're doing something wrong with their scoring system for lots of people, it should be reconciled. 

11:02 am
Mon 2-15-10


Frank Austin

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22

Post edited 7:06 pm – Mon 2-15-10 by Frank Austin


These have got to be wrong.  (Though not from your end, Carl)  I know for a fact my scores are, except of course my painting score.

And I can attest that Scott didn't get a perfect 10 from me.

12:17 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Adan T

Berkeley (work)

Member
23

[/RANT]

Shenanigans!!

My final paint score was 18 out of 35 (or 40?).  The second worst score.  Really??  Andrew's Kroot/Tyranids got the same score as Greg's (Erch-painted) orks.  No offense meant to Andrew, but they are not close to the job Erch did on those Orks (as Zach noted above).  I'm not Rembrandt, but everything had 3 colors, some were quite good (I didn't paint them) and everything had flocking or paint on their bases (except for the Engines).

The comp, paint and sports scores were screwy.  Tim showed me his sheet, and he gave me a full 5 for comp and a full 10 for sports. 

My final sports score was a 21 — which means that I averaged 5.5 for each game.  Now, some of the items were fixed points: did I have my stuff (yes), did I arrive on time (yes).  With those two taken care of, I averaged 3.5 for the remaining 8 points… Now ANYONE who has played against me knows that I'm congenial and let people fix things (like the Necron player who moved, took it back and then moved again to contest an objective), I give the benefit of the doubt on rules questions, I laugh and congratulate good rolls by my opponent.  I'm really baffled.

My final comp score was 9 — which means that I averaged a 2 for the other two games.  I had no Exorcists and only two Rhinos.  Huh??

My second opponent (Necrons) and third opponent (Eldar) were uncle & nephew… Coincidence on the points anomolies?

 [/RANT]

Lieutenant, Ordo Pacificus chapter, 40K Fight Club

12:22 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Frank Austin

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Adan -

There's no way that these scores are representative of what people filled out on their cards.  I know for a fact by looking at the soft scores that my opponents received that they're wrong. 

More importantly – You're one of the nicest guys to play against and you brought a well-painted and well-compsed list to the event.  Don't give anything on the sheet a second thought.

I say we spend our time trying to come up with hilarious reasons we all got these weird-ass scores OR just wait for the real results to show up.

1:00 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Zachary Walter

Walnut Creek, CA

Member
25

Adan "Now ANYONE who has played against me knows that I'm congenial"

I always give Adan full comp because he can shoot me. 

1:16 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Adan T

Berkeley (work)

Member
26

Rarely during a game though, because I'm rarely armed at the store… (don't tell the bad guys)… 

Yeah, I posted the above and then saw there were a bunch of other people with issues and known errors, so I pretty much am not worried about it anymore.  I didn't win all three of my games, so I really shouldn't care about the soft scores in the first place, I guess….

Lieutenant, Ordo Pacificus chapter, 40K Fight Club

1:56 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Zachary Walter

Walnut Creek, CA

Member
27

Black Sword said:

 I didn't win all three of my games, so I really shouldn't care about the soft scores in the first place, I guess….


No one likes to hear that they're a bad person to play against, especially when you thought a given game/opponent was a good experience…

6:22 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Carl Tuttle

Morgan Hill, CA

Member
28

Post edited 2:23 am – Tue 2-16-10 by Carl Tuttle


I agree something seems off… though I just double checked these to the printout that Chad gave me and they are correct – so ITS NOT MY FAULT!!! =P

I agree with what Zach said – something was screwy here. They had issues setting up matches correctly during it as well – so it leads me to believe they may have made some final tally mistakes here. It's a confusing mess to run an event like this – I am sure. But accurate record keeping is paramount.

I have a feeling someone sorted the columns but didnt include the columns next to them or something.

Carl

6:30 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Carl Tuttle

Morgan Hill, CA

Member
29

Ok something is definately off. The scores are not right. I just confirmed with someone that they gave someone else a lower sportsmanship score than max – yet that person shows max sports score. I'm going to reach out to Chad on the Yahoo! Group about it.

6:38 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Greg Johnson

Martinez, CA

Moderator
30

Totally agree Carl, it looks like a sort without full columns selection.

Need to get Chad to use Excel 2007 with tables…doesn't allow partial table sort for just this reason.

6:42 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Carl Tuttle

Morgan Hill, CA

Member
31

If you aren't a part of that Yahoo! Group – I will let you know here as soon as I hear back from Chad.

Sorry for the confusion guys.

8:12 pm
Mon 2-15-10


Frank Austin

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32

Greg Johnson said:

Totally agree Carl, it looks like a sort without full columns selection.


I was just thinking the same thing.  I bet $20 that 19 sportsmanship belongs to me.

6:31 am
Wed 2-17-10


Jeff W.

San Francisco, CA

Member
33

Post edited 2:37 pm – Wed 2-17-10 by Jeff Walker


I know I dinged Scott 1 point for rules knowledge, but then again everybody knows I'm a bit of a softie about things like that. I'm really surprised  that Scott scored better than Carl on painting too, considering that I didn't think his army was that well painted, and Carl's was Death Guard to the core. Ah well, I know how well I did, and how well we all did. We have nothing to be ashamed of from our showing.

Also, Scott's battle points are off, or mine are. He scored the same number of Battle Points as I did in the third round, which should be 12. 10 for the draw, and two others besides. Even if he scored max points in the other two rounds, how did he get the extra four points?

10:30 am
Wed 2-17-10


Zachary Walter

Walnut Creek, CA

Member
34

Jeff Walker said:

Also, Scott's battle points are off, or mine are. He scored the same number of Battle Points as I did in the third round, which should be 12. 10 for the draw, and two others besides. Even if he scored max points in the other two rounds, how did he get the extra four points?


That's what I was wondering all along…  His scores were inflated in every category and seemed impossible in some respects. 

1:30 pm
Wed 2-17-10


Frank Austin

Guest
35

It was possible to score more than 20 points, since some of the bonuses were things like "+1 for each objective you hold" or similar. 

1:34 pm
Wed 2-17-10


Greg Johnson

Martinez, CA

Moderator
36

Has anybody heard anything back from Chad on this?

2:52 pm
Wed 2-17-10


Frank Austin

Guest
37

Don't think so.  I sent him an e-mail on Sunday, didn't hear anything back.  I know the DDC folks from the Yahoo group forwarded Carl's question to him as well. 

It may just be a mystery that never gets solved!

2:57 pm
Wed 2-17-10


Greg Johnson

Martinez, CA

Moderator
38

Well, they need to address this…they run way to many events to have it hanging over thier heads.

4:17 pm
Wed 2-17-10


Adan T

Berkeley (work)

Member
39

Chad used to be on the old EG Forums, but I don't see his name on these current boards… With the Grand WAAAgh on their plate, I agree they need to resolve this.

Lieutenant, Ordo Pacificus chapter, 40K Fight Club

5:54 pm
Wed 2-17-10


Jeff W.

San Francisco, CA

Member
40

Frank Austin said:It was possible to score more than 20 points, since some of the bonuses were things like "+1 for each objective you hold" or similar. 


I think that was only possible on the third round, the one where we tied. I know he only got one objective. I don't remember if it was part of the first game.